tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post3147746600805602457..comments2024-03-27T08:40:31.785-06:00Comments on Clayton Cramer.: Wow. Make Something Legal, And People Do More Of ItClayton Cramerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03258083387204776812noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-9031536670073261322014-02-09T00:27:05.679-07:002014-02-09T00:27:05.679-07:00One problem with the War on Some Drugs is that tho...One problem with the War on Some Drugs is that those that are legal or about to be legal are considered the official government-approved mind-altering chemicals that must not be criticized. If all of those chemicals are legal, you can't use the excuse that it's legal and therefore harmless.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720409839023747889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-85667236089106507722014-02-06T12:45:18.980-07:002014-02-06T12:45:18.980-07:00California "medical marijuana" law is ex...California "medical marijuana" law is extremely lax -- is it really plausible that many teenagers are sick enough to need medical marijuana?<br /><br />Remember that California is more than 10% of the U.S. population, and far more than that percentage of the surveyed states. They could very easily skew the results for the sampled group.Clayton Cramerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03258083387204776812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-50591416171320663812014-02-06T12:37:54.552-07:002014-02-06T12:37:54.552-07:00The study involved CA, HI, IL, NH, RI and WV.
NON...The study involved CA, HI, IL, NH, RI and WV.<br /><br />NONE of which have legal marijuana and only two, CA and HI have legal medical marijuana.<br /><br />So your claim that legality has led to this increase is unsupported.RShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06584323173315846013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-42508280497779585192014-02-06T12:20:16.761-07:002014-02-06T12:20:16.761-07:00It is true that marijuana persists a long time. S...It is true that marijuana persists a long time. Still, that percentage from fatal accidents does make you suspect a connection. Even a mild impairment caused by smoking pot yesterday could be a factor.<br /><br />You make a good point about California being the only state where pot was legal. It would be interesting to see what percentage of that was California, which just because of population would severely affect the results.Clayton Cramerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03258083387204776812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-70502104877217761992014-02-06T10:47:59.077-07:002014-02-06T10:47:59.077-07:00Given how little it takes to "test positive&q...Given how little it takes to "test positive" and how long marijuana hangs around, I think using "test[s] positive" as a synonym for "was intoxicated by" is unwise.<br /><br />At most, what this tells me is two things:<br /><br />A) The sort of person who drives dangerously enough to kill themselves or others has an 12% chance to have smoked some reefer vaguely recently - even if they crash was because they were dead drunk or on some other intoxicants as well.<br /><br />The more interesting thing would be to know what percentage of the <i>entire population</i> would "test positive" on any given day; I wouldn't be surprised if it approached the same 12%, which would undercut causal arguments rather strongly.<br /><br />B) There's a huge, successful, long-term campaign to keep people from driving while drunk and to hammer it into their heads that it's both dangerous and likely to get you sent to prison.<br /><br />No such campaign has existed for marijuana.<br /><br />(And again, see "test[ed] positive" vs. "actually intoxicated at all" - one can easily "test positive" for marijuana without being the slightest bit impaired, so even someone who is very careful about never driving while impaired would fail that test.)<br /><br />Lastly, what does the headline have to do with anything?<br /><br />Pot isn't legal in any of those states, generally, and is only legal for "medical" (which I agree is mostly a cover for recreational use) in California ... but we don't hear that the rate is up more in CA than elsewhere. I'd love to see if the uptick in CA was at <i>all</i> related to the medical legalization.Sigivaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152366541957466049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-3781498648635136552014-02-06T10:41:51.468-07:002014-02-06T10:41:51.468-07:00I am not aware that anyone has outlawed marijuana ...I am not aware that anyone has outlawed marijuana plants. Wild marijuana grows throughout the United States.<br /><br />My point is that there are negative consequences to legalizing marijuana, and those pretending otherwise are not being honest.Clayton Cramerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03258083387204776812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-866929631119546642014-02-06T09:38:09.758-07:002014-02-06T09:38:09.758-07:00And AFAIK, there is no breath test for marijuana.
...And AFAIK, there is no breath test for marijuana.<br /><br />There could be though.<br /><br />Business opportunity!Rich Rostromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13262703348236110420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-33432912433043204052014-02-06T06:22:30.597-07:002014-02-06T06:22:30.597-07:00No wants to make dui legal and the folks that driv...No wants to make dui legal and the folks that drive with drugs and alcohol in their system have been a problem for years. No law is going to stop them. Your arguments sound a lot like things I hear from anti-gunners. <br /><br />Personally I neither drink alcohol or smoke pot, but I have a real problem with the hubris of outlawing a plant that God created. Ber950https://www.blogger.com/profile/10021595937887322029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-6033293068277246962014-02-05T20:17:23.728-07:002014-02-05T20:17:23.728-07:00You seem to be arguing that no one should be allow...You seem to be arguing that no one should be allowed to use marijuana because a subset of everyone will abuse that right by driving while impaired. This is precisely the same argument gun control proponents use: No one should have the right to possess a gun because some people will commit mass murder. How do you reconcile your support of prohibit of one right (the right to do what you will to your own body) and your support of a different right (the right to armed self-defense)? This from someone who has never used any illegal drugs. Kukulkanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16488293379856808657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-9039112106076915222014-02-05T20:12:45.023-07:002014-02-05T20:12:45.023-07:00It seems as though you are arguing that we should ...It seems as though you are arguing that we should not legalize marijuana because some people will drive while impaired by the effects of the drug. Stated differently, no one should have the right to smoke marijuana because some will abuse the right. This is precisely the same argument that gun control proponents use. No one should have the right to possess a gun because some will misuse the right. How do you reconcile your support for one deprivation of a right (what to do with your own body) and the support for the another right (the right to armed self-defense)?Kukulkanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16488293379856808657noreply@blogger.com