tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post1693282780422510374..comments2024-03-27T08:40:31.785-06:00Comments on Clayton Cramer.: There's A Lot of Paranoid Black Helicopters Crap Floating AroundClayton Cramerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03258083387204776812noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-64475763055442587142013-03-10T14:22:18.619-06:002013-03-10T14:22:18.619-06:00There probably ought to be a field manual on the s...There probably ought to be a field manual on the setting up of internment camps within U.S. borders, though it might date back to the 1940s.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389602137217799305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-36864891403257441452013-03-09T10:00:50.860-07:002013-03-09T10:00:50.860-07:00The SSAN is the military ID number, and has been u...The SSAN is the military ID number, and has been used as such since the 1970s.<br /><br />Fingerprints are probably taken in order to confirm identities. If you're picked up for a crime by the MPs and/or the folks from CID, you'll get fingerprinted just to confirm that you're who your ID card says you are.takirkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01228716337489374348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-15914965527523737982013-03-09T09:08:10.796-07:002013-03-09T09:08:10.796-07:00Actually the US military used ssn's as a seria...Actually the US military used ssn's as a serial number until recent concerns of id theft prompted them to scale back and remove it from ID cards. Socials are still used in quite a few DOD records that haven't been converted back to dedicated service numbers. bombloader80https://www.blogger.com/profile/06777081067640209200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-50051329676589153432013-03-09T08:28:39.153-07:002013-03-09T08:28:39.153-07:00Honestly, this isn't simply provocative. It&#...Honestly, this isn't simply provocative. It's really just another item in a long list of things the "larger" left of this country (lead by this admin, Democrat party AND some establishment Republicans) puts out there.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />I have a feeling that it's simply spiteful. A way to poke a finger in the eye of 1/2 of this country. Not real sure what the end result of this would be or how this benefits them other than just another attempt to galvanize their base.<br /><br />In any event, this is about a much grander goal: transforming the US into something 1/2 of this country doesn't want.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07659981036115260539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-47957167245381682152013-03-09T08:20:27.765-07:002013-03-09T08:20:27.765-07:00It was only in 2011 that the U.S. Army made the ch...It was only in 2011 that the U.S. Army made the change to Electronic data interchange personal identifier [EDIPI] on ID cards, and older cards still have the SSN printed on them even today. That FM was published in 2010, prior to even the beginning of the EDIPI being published on ID cards.<br /><br />Additionally, other paragraphs in that chapter, such as 7-14, do make reference to confined officers and NCOs, which would imply U.S. Military personnel.Tinamilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03890453634606737510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-47965264174863248812013-03-09T05:51:32.543-07:002013-03-09T05:51:32.543-07:00the soldiers military ID number IS their social se...the soldiers military ID number IS their social security number. Fingerprinting WAS NOT a part of the process when I went in, 1993 and 1998. There is usually a version date in all manuals so you know what one you should be using. What is the date on the one you are reading. Also the manuals are written to encompass all situations that the soldier could encounter, and detaining a US Citizen is possible. Look at the one that was captured in Afganistan.Fudozenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13593832294029876308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-42464151953317129062013-03-09T04:40:02.439-07:002013-03-09T04:40:02.439-07:00Military personnel are identified by their Social ...Military personnel are identified by their Social Security number - we don't have unique service numbers any more (since the 80's I think). So recording a Soldier's SSN is standard practice for identifying him or her. Also, while we all have our fingerprints recorded when we enter the military, you do have to be fingerprinted again when detained, as a verification of identity (same reason civilian criminals get fingerprinted each time they get arrested - have to be sure they are who they say they are). That manual will need to be updated soon, though, as we are in process of transitioning to new Service numbers (the military is only now catching on to the concept of identity theft, and realized that having your SSN printed on everything you own might be a bad idea...).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10978559056540902849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-76793095512459279912013-03-09T02:17:38.934-07:002013-03-09T02:17:38.934-07:00For some long period of time, beginning around the...For some long period of time, beginning around the late 70s, I think, the SSAN -was- the military ID; 2007 Defense Authorization Act seems to have changed direction on that, and beginning 2011 SSAN won't be on ID cards.<br /><br />So, a manual written before 2007 might reasonably use SSAN and Mil ID number interchangeably.John Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12092772204400280948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2807403883562053852.post-83209618176321452522013-03-09T00:01:56.878-07:002013-03-09T00:01:56.878-07:00The manual loaded fine for me from the link in you...The manual loaded fine for me from the link in your post. Section 7, which the segment above is from, is titled "CONFINEMENT OF U.S. MILITARY PRISONERS" relates ONLY to US military personnel being processed for conduct violations:<br /><br />"The FCF/FDF provides a uniform system for incarcerating and providing correctional services for those who have failed to adhere to legally established rules of discipline."<br /><br />Earlier in the manual (page 1-4) it states that individuals that are subject to the internment/resettlement operation are to be assigned "an internment serial <br />number (ISN) (which) provides the only authorized serial number to be used to track detainees and their property, evidence, and related documents."RevGreghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11627218929198779685noreply@blogger.com